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Subject: None Re:It should be mandatory and part of the forum rules to mark AI-related posts

Date: Sat 12/10/24 15:51:17 GMT

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I don't know how many wetlook shoots you have done, but in my experience, even if the model doesn't necessarily like the feeling of wet clothes, we still communicate and bounce the ideas of each other which means she still explodes and reflects on the experience. I'd assume this happens in most wetlook shoots, look at the behind the scenes videos of Erik Elsas, or Styx (if you can will find them, they were great), and as for doing it for money, Streetspalsh public was amazing at that: the women were doing it for the money, but the feeling and emotion was still there regardless. My point is: even in staged wetlook there is a real person with feelings and personality. With AI it's just an algorithm that doesn't even have a physical body, so at best can theorize what wet clothes feel like.
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By Oldbeewet - eu Sat 12/10/24 12:20:56 GMT

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i am sorry, i do not get your point. is this supposed to be ironic or sacarstic?   As is said, to me staged wetlook and AI-wetlook are both not really real. If a real girl acts like she enjoys wetlook, but in the in end she does it just for the money, or if i tell an AI to generate a smiling girl in wet clothes? In the end, both are not real, both can be considered a lie. So where is teh difference?
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By Propergamer - uu Fri 11/10/24 22:27:45 GMT

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Sure, because the person in the photo wearing wet clothes is just a prop and never communicates any feelings that come with the experience through the body language or facial expressions etc...
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By Oldbewet - eu Fri 11/10/24 20:21:38 GMT

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Tastes are different, to me it is essential that the availible light is used in a proper way or the cameraoperator knows how to use additional lightning.

 

A good example that the availible light is not used properly is the last set postet bei Eric Elsas. YES, it shows two beautyful models in a nice location, but the camera is in the wrong place, facing against the sun, so the faces and the clothing of the models are in shadow. It's nice for the model if they have not to face the direct sunlight, but the pictures show much less then they could. A solution could be using some reflectors to lighten up the scene or a very powerful flashlight with the camera, maybe better both. Of course, that would require the equipment and a trained crew and models. Editing the pictures is another way to get better results. YES, that takes time und costs money. I do not know how much money you can earn with wetlookpictures, but i see there are producers out there who care about the setup of the location (like Victor for example) and others who don't give a f*ck. (and i honstly don not want to say that eric is a bad photographer. The set mentioned above is from 2015, he is very experienced and one of the best around here.

 

Anyway, almost all wetlook we see here is staged, there maybe some candid youtubes, so there are not many.

 

But when it comes to staged pictures, i want better pictures than this very often shown crap with bad perspective or light. When setting up a session it is the duty of the cameraman to take care of this. He has to talk to the models, he has teach them the script. During the late 80 / early i worked as cameraman during some political congresses, filmed some interviews with prominent politicians, some of these in spontane situations. I had to care about the light and we were a good team. And believe me, when filming interviews with politician, asking them to step to a better light is the smallest difficulty.

 

So i really do not see a big difference between staged wetlookpictures and AI-wetlook. Both cases are staged, but the AI knows the rules of light and photo. Yes, there are still some flaws in AI-picture, but the improvements during the last year are amazing. It gives me the fear that in only a few years, mayby months, you will no longer be able to detect an AI-picture with only a short look at it. Mayby you can no longer be shure if the picture of you crossing a red trafficlight is real or AI.

 

 

So where will this lead. AI will get better, that's for shure. Mayby we can hope that the real photographers will get better. Or they also start using AI.

 

But i am also shure, that marking pictures as AI will change nothing.  

 

By the way: recently, more or less by accident without searching, i came across the youtube chanel by "elena sochi". She has some very good and interesting wetlook videos, that not only shows exellent footage but also shows what a good photographer together with good modell can do and how they can interact. Someone speaking russian could possibly translate. And when you carefully look at the videos, you can see, that she only uses a smartphone for shooting, so big cameragear is not always the solution.

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By Propergamer - uu Fri 11/10/24 04:23:37 GMT

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For 99% even the worst live action wetlook is way better than the best AI. As for the poster names, what about the new/uncommon/anonymous posters? Definitely in favor of this rule.
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By Oldbeewet - eu Tue 08/10/24 20:37:44 GMT

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oh yes. it could really make it easier to divide some good AI from pile of bad reallife here. Also, most of the  it could easyli be done by looking at the producers name ......  so NA, i don't think we need those markings
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By pure-wetlook-fan - uu Tue 08/10/24 15:19:53 GMT

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A suggestion: I'm one of those who really isn't a fan of AI images. Ai is great for text-based and work-related purposes. But I personally find AI images terrible, strange, repulsive and very unnatural. My love of the wet look is massively disturbed by this. Personally, I only want to see natural images. Candid, scan, or professional, all ok. But just no AI. If there are friends and fans, that's ok. But I would be of the opinion that the posts in this forum should refer to real wetlook. Other things are also undesirable here. Naked skin, for example, male wetlook, messy posts are not usual here, etc. It should be the same with AI. Clear labeling. umd.net is already leading the way. What do you think?


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