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Subject: Re:PBS?

Date: Sun 28/04/19 16:15:19 GMT

Name: RoscoeBC

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I was born in 1954. The trip was driving up to Sleeping Bear Dune in Michigan on a Friday afternoon to cross country ski Saturday and Sunday. The weather forecast turned brutal, ten below zero, high winds, drifting snow. Most of the ski club skipped out. Three of us hard core guys guys piled into my Bronco II and went anyway. We got into the motel room early Friday evening, Dave turned on the TV, being the Sierra Club type, he chose PBS, while we unpacked and prepared to go for dinner. I'm guessing this was around 1992 or so. Dave and I were reasonably prepared for the cold, we skied the dune on this odd mix of very dry, abrasive blowing snow and sand until our water bottles froze solid and we got dehydrated. The wind chill factor was 30 below at least on the dune next to Lake Michigan. I should have kept a water bottle inside my down coat.

It's funny, I go to the zoo and watch the gorillas. Samson, the male gorilla at Brookfield zoo had a mate and an offspring. They played their family roles just like we naturally tend to, except that they don't feel guilty about just doing what comes naturally, Momma caring for her baby, Samson standing between the family and the onlookers looking as big and tough as possible.

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PBS?

By NCgreg - ncgreg231@yahoo.com Fri 26/04/19 20:18:47 GMT

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Hi Roscoe! I'm pretty sure i never watched that PBS special, though i agree with what you mentioned. To add to that...consider that a man can genetically contribute in less than 5 minutes, but a woman is looking at a minimum of 9 months, or perhaps up to 3~4 years of care, before that new person can have at least a 50% chance to survive, so as you said: #1 - the lady needs a provider/protector. #2 - the lady needs a *genetic* provider whose offspring will have the highest chance of survival. #1 and #2 do not HAVE to be the same person, but then the man would not want to be #1, unless they *think* they are also the #2...

eh, off topic? (call it topic "drift"??) i was born in 1973. is my guess correct that you are older than me? Also, i am somewhat baffled that guys on a ski trip would have the TV tuned into PBS (not trying to call you out or anything...) maybe the PBS thing might be a "generational" difference? (what year was this ski trip in question...)

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Re:Out of curiousity...

By RoscoeBC - Thu 25/04/19 06:57:48 GMT

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I think your observations are largely correct. I'm not so sure you're conclusions are. I've been thinking about this for, oh, about 40 years, and read and seen some good info on PBS.

I'm going to risk being called sexist, since nobody here knows who I am anyway, and we're 99% guys here :). I was on a ski trip with some buddies once, we had the TV going while we were getting ready to go out the door. There was a program on PBS, discussing sexual attraction. I didn't catch it all, but what I did catch was fascinating. Consider the roles that men and women instinctively play out. We're talking instincts, stuff developed in cave man days. In order to ensure the survival of the species, a mans job was to seek out a woman who best looked able to bear him healthy children, and take care of them. That was largely a visual decision, rosy cheeks meant good blood flow (spawning a multi-billion dollar cosmetics industry), large breasts, plenty of milk. What we now call beauty.

Men sized up women visually, and instinctively still do when we're not feeling too guilty about our instincts. Women? When they had some say in the matter, wanted a man who could defend them, protect them and their offspring, provide for them. It wasn't about the visuals. It was about their romantic notion of the type A male who would impregnate them and then provide for them.

Don't expect a heterosexual woman to think like you do. They don't choose so much visually. They are looking for security. If they are working at offering up the visuals, it's because they are hoping it will get them security in return. You need to offer up security, then yo may get the visuals you want in return.

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Re:Out of curiousity...

By Jan - Tue 23/04/19 06:32:27 GMT

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I like women in wet clothes and i like also to get wet by myself.

As a man, i feel unfairty that men in wet clothes does never interest women, when all women who apparently are wetlook fans, are lesbians and they who likes of a men in wet clothes, are always gay-men.

This is frustrating for hetero-man who likes to get wet in clothes.

I have done this conclusion in facebook groups and sites. Women are always interested only womens pictures. It is really rare that woman may be interested of mens pictures.

One-way things are boring longer term. This is a bit like a only women have the 'rights' to be sexy, men does not have this 'rights'.

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Out of curiousity...

By JC - Tue 23/04/19 05:10:26 GMT

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Out of curiosity, how many of you do not participate in Wetlook, but still find it attractive/sexy/what ever you may call it, when a woman participateds? I for one have never enjoyed swimming in clothing but I would say I still have always found it attractive for a woman to do so.

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